Things that make you go Hmmmm.
Apr. 18th, 2007 02:22 pmFor anyone that knows me, you know I'm a big believer in leaving as little a footprint on this earth as possible. I conserve, recycle, compost, walk instead of drive if possible, xeriscape, educate others on water conservation, etc... I'm not perfect, but I try. Ever since I saw "An Inconvenient Truth" I've been panic stricken about the damage we're doing to the earth.
And then I watched this, produced by the UK's Channel 4. (Which apparently is controversial? Hmm. Make the decision for yourself which is truth.)<-- eta
According to the doc: We are not screwing up the world. Well, specifically, the rise in industry - therefore, the rise in CO2 - is not creating super storms, an ice age, a desert on this earth. Volcanoes put out more CO2 than all the factories of the world combined. This period of higher temps in summer, etc. are natural, and they cite a period during Chaucer's time where vineyards grew in England as far north as the Lowlands. Our weather is generated by the sun (count sun spots, and you can predict the weather, shown irrefutably, actually), which causes cosmic rays that hit our atmosphere, which generates clouds, which controls the earth's temperature. CO2 does NOT cause a change in the atmosphere's temperature, and they illustrate this with many lovely charts, from many different sources.
One thing I found particularly unsettling was how the IPCC - the outfit that literally wrote The Book On Global Warming - is made up of 2500 names - not all are scientists. In fact, many are government officials, aides, etc. Many scientists, and my FiL backed this up (he's a former NASA geologist) left the organization when they saw that the data was being manipulated to fulfill a political goal, or outright lied about. Their names were kept on the record as having gone along with the report. !!! RED FLAG.
See, if we create a panic, then people send money for research, and there were 10,000 jobs created around the world for this project. Ahhhh. Money. I see.
So yes, we need to stop depending on oil. We shouldn't throw our garbage out of our windows. We shouldn't put money into COAL. Because those things deplete our resources and are dirty, and I don't want to breathe in coal. But by driving our cars, or flying in planes, or running our AC, we are NOT causing the Apocalypse. We didn't cause Katrina. What else did they say we did? Oh, we're melting the polar ice caps.
DAMMIT, I love data that backs stuff up. This is an EXCELLENT documentary, presented BY scientist, not a spokesman that didn't understand how atmosphere works (which was Gore's big wammo.)
I still fervently believe that we should not be such voracious consumers, that pollution should be curtailed, and alternative forms of oil energy need to be developed. I do not, however, think we will fall into an ice age any time soon. Nor do I believe that mankind is controlling the weather. (And how egotistical is that, really?) The overwhelming amount of information in this hour long film is heartening.
I love such well documented SCIENCE. *pets the data* Had a convo with my FiL and he concurs with the statements made by his fellow scientists in this film. (MIT, The International Weather Foundation, etc. etc.) And now, back to the scrubbing of the house, for I have guests coming, huzzah! And most likely singing various songs in my Al Gore voice, because it makes me laugh.
And then I watched this, produced by the UK's Channel 4. (Which apparently is controversial? Hmm. Make the decision for yourself which is truth.)<-- eta
According to the doc: We are not screwing up the world. Well, specifically, the rise in industry - therefore, the rise in CO2 - is not creating super storms, an ice age, a desert on this earth. Volcanoes put out more CO2 than all the factories of the world combined. This period of higher temps in summer, etc. are natural, and they cite a period during Chaucer's time where vineyards grew in England as far north as the Lowlands. Our weather is generated by the sun (count sun spots, and you can predict the weather, shown irrefutably, actually), which causes cosmic rays that hit our atmosphere, which generates clouds, which controls the earth's temperature. CO2 does NOT cause a change in the atmosphere's temperature, and they illustrate this with many lovely charts, from many different sources.
One thing I found particularly unsettling was how the IPCC - the outfit that literally wrote The Book On Global Warming - is made up of 2500 names - not all are scientists. In fact, many are government officials, aides, etc. Many scientists, and my FiL backed this up (he's a former NASA geologist) left the organization when they saw that the data was being manipulated to fulfill a political goal, or outright lied about. Their names were kept on the record as having gone along with the report. !!! RED FLAG.
See, if we create a panic, then people send money for research, and there were 10,000 jobs created around the world for this project. Ahhhh. Money. I see.
So yes, we need to stop depending on oil. We shouldn't throw our garbage out of our windows. We shouldn't put money into COAL. Because those things deplete our resources and are dirty, and I don't want to breathe in coal. But by driving our cars, or flying in planes, or running our AC, we are NOT causing the Apocalypse. We didn't cause Katrina. What else did they say we did? Oh, we're melting the polar ice caps.
DAMMIT, I love data that backs stuff up. This is an EXCELLENT documentary, presented BY scientist, not a spokesman that didn't understand how atmosphere works (which was Gore's big wammo.)
I still fervently believe that we should not be such voracious consumers, that pollution should be curtailed, and alternative forms of oil energy need to be developed. I do not, however, think we will fall into an ice age any time soon. Nor do I believe that mankind is controlling the weather. (And how egotistical is that, really?) The overwhelming amount of information in this hour long film is heartening.
I love such well documented SCIENCE. *pets the data* Had a convo with my FiL and he concurs with the statements made by his fellow scientists in this film. (MIT, The International Weather Foundation, etc. etc.) And now, back to the scrubbing of the house, for I have guests coming, huzzah! And most likely singing various songs in my Al Gore voice, because it makes me laugh.
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Date: 2007-04-18 07:34 pm (UTC)It's always been my argument that even if global warming is a natural process, we still shouldn't use that as a free pass to dump whatever we want into the air. It just makes good sense tread lightly. That, and the thought of breathing, eating, or drinking anything contaminated with harmful chemicals just gives me the willies. (Even the chlorine that's put in water supplies to prevent waterborne illness...well, I'd rather not have illness, but you have to wonder what lifelong exposure to a very poisonous agent can do to the human body. Eh, maybe I think too much.)
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Date: 2007-04-18 07:40 pm (UTC)They break down the percentages of the elements in the air we breath (and CO2 is a fraction of a percentage point.) The amount we're adding is something like... .4%? They show how little of an effect that has, and the studies done to explain this. It's an amazing doc.
And I'm completely in agreement that we shouldn't be POLLUTING the air. (I'm in the fight to get rid of coal for energy here at home, for example.) Pollution = respiratory disease. But it isn't affect our CLIMATE.
...they actually address how the whole "chlorine is bad" propaganda started up, because you realize chlorine is a natural element, right? This whole doc is utterly fascinating. (btw - I come from a background in Biology and Genetics. I'm all for hard facts.)
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Date: 2007-04-18 07:36 pm (UTC)It's nice to know that my car and AC are not personally bringing about the end of the world.
Thanks for posting this. I think I'm gonna try to get ahold of that documentary on DVD.
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Date: 2007-04-18 07:57 pm (UTC)We had a family friend that worked for 25 years on demonstrating the effect on children that power lines have. Their findings showed over and over again that juvenile Leukemia rates soared in children living near power grids.
The Nat'l Utility Foundation did the same study - in one year, mind - and showed without a doubt that that wasn't the case. Riiiiight. They didn't, oh, have an interest in people not freaking out about power grids, did they?
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Date: 2007-04-18 07:57 pm (UTC)*sigh* :)
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:00 pm (UTC)And seriously, WATCH THE DOC. You'll feel so much better knowing that you are just a wingnut on the solar system's car. Heee!
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Date: 2007-04-18 07:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-18 08:03 pm (UTC)(Over simplified, of course, but then again, I spent a year and a half touring the country following the Grateful Dead with dirty hippies and this is how they feel.)
The whole point is to show that CO2 is not the engine driving climate in any way shape or form.
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:18 pm (UTC)I am not one to get into these things (most especially online, although of course *you're* normal and respectful), but about global warming I will say that it reminds me very much of the Y2K scare. As long as someone can make money off it, I'm skeptical.
Did you ever see the clip about the guy who made fuel out of water? I'm waiting for him to be murdered or something. Now THERE'S where we should put our research dollars.
Some people in Canada are outraged our PM rejected the Kyoto accord. Of course, they were happy wee sheep when the Liberals enthusiastically signed up...and our emissions rose by 30%. I guess they only care about the talk, not the walk.
PS As an aside, I just cannot understand the culture of guns in the US. I hear what you're saying, but I can't grok it. I wouldn't live in a place where I felt the need to own a firearm. I've never touched a gun, I don't know anyone who owns a gun. Mr Posh keeps a hockey stick for protection and we make sure to lock our doors. That's enough security for us.
Now, what else do you want to tackle? Legalizing drugs? Prostitution? I'm ready! ::does jumping jacks::
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:23 pm (UTC)And you know, I'm RIGHT WITH YOU on the whole skeptical mindset. What's great is how in this doc they talk to the founder of Greenpeace, and how he's just fed up with them making shit up to be angry about, ahaha. Why can't there be a movement to erradicate the world of cockroaches? Let's say they cause nipple flop! There's a harebrained idea I can get behind!
(And I'm so happy you and Mr. Posh are armed with Gretsky's #1. Hahaha! Mr. S has guns for sport/hunting. I have fired them so I know what they're like, but I'm not an avid collector/hunter, nothing of the sort. But I appreciate that you feel differently than I! And I love that you can still be my friend. *smooooch*)
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:28 pm (UTC)Just back from 10 aberrantly freezing days in Missouri where I had to see my BIL's Grateful Dead cover band play...
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:38 pm (UTC)And then I want to ask them about those Phish CDs and how they were manufactured. Or how that speaker system blasting Widespread Panic works. *G*
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:41 pm (UTC)I'm afraid most of Channel 4's documentaries aren't in any way objective.
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-18 09:20 pm (UTC)I COMPLETELY AGREE re: oil/pollution. I'm just not going to be so egotistical that my car is causing hurricanes/flooding/the End of The WOrld. :D
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:54 pm (UTC)I refrain from the global warming topic because I do *not* have the technical knowledge, the eductation, or the facts at my fingers--none of which is bad, though the fact that I've made no *effort* to access that stuff and learn for myself what is going on with the world is really, really bad.
That said, I have a very difficult time with the idea that we're bringing on Apocalypse with cars and cans and factories. That is *not* to say it's not important to keep emissions clean, to recycle, to conserve oil and get better fuel sources. Cleaner air is better for everyone, landfills fill up, forests get cut down, etc and we should really be concerned about *everything* we can do to keep our environment cleaner and better and preserved. But the idea that humans are going to bring about a meltdown always leaves me skeptical, because the idea that we can understand the weather patterns of the past four billion years and thus conclude that we are controlling it somehow leaves me skeptical also.
I'll always allow for the possibility, but having not put in the effort to learn about it...the skepticism remains greater than the grant that it could be true.
Anyway, all of which to say, I'd really like to watch that when I get home. Or tomorrow because I just got FIRED. God.
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Date: 2007-04-18 08:54 pm (UTC)eductation is the tendency to stay far from ducts.
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Date: 2007-04-18 09:04 pm (UTC)NZ Herald probably has about half, if not more, of stories saying that it's a crock with some independant think tank reported on, and two seconds later after I've done trolling the net on google you end up finding out that they receive money from industry groups and aren't as independant as they come across. There might be money to be made in research grants so scientists can potter about with computers, but there's a hell of a lot of money to be made (and lost) by keeping the status quo going. It's in the corporations best interest that manmade global warming is a myth (or at least perceived to be) just in the way that it was in the tabacco industries best interest that cigarettes didn't cause cancer (or at least that consumers perceived that they didn't).
In Summary: EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET US, EEEEEEHHHHH! *rubs ufo poster to bring mothership back*
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Date: 2007-04-18 09:09 pm (UTC)http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2355956.ece
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Date: 2007-04-18 09:32 pm (UTC)http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.html
this has caused uproar over here. It has shaken my belief system but I'm back on board now.
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Date: 2007-04-18 09:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-04-18 09:33 pm (UTC)*looks out window, sees snow*
*cries*
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Date: 2007-04-18 09:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-04-18 10:05 pm (UTC)I live in one of those cities where you can *see* the air on a bad day though. *coughs* The Rich Folks, in their mountain estates,--of which I used to be one *coughs again*--look down upon us Valley Dwellers and laugh while swirling Merlot from their private label vineyard.
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Date: 2007-04-19 01:42 am (UTC)Why, yes, I'm a cynic.
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Date: 2007-04-19 02:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-19 06:22 pm (UTC)"HIPPIECRITE" which is someone who touts to others to save the environment but wastes electricity, drives a Hummer, etc.
I am not a hippiecrite but I do know I can do MORE to contribute to keeping the environment cleaner.
Thanks for sharing the link. I'll check into the other links given as well!
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Date: 2007-04-23 09:35 pm (UTC)