[personal profile] stoney321
Yo! [livejournal.com profile] libbymarie! Aka IJ's marieantoinette! I see you've disabled non-friend comments on your latest "They're attacking the Mormons, see?? We're soooo oppressed, you guys! We need to explore our feelings with a Jewish suffering-based porn RPG, zomg." I find it VERY INTERESTING that I'm the ONLY PERSON you refuse to reply to. VERY interesting. Probably because you know that I have your number. I know all the bullshit you're saying because most people DON'T know anything about Mormons or their history. And I'm not "someone with Mormons in their family" as if I know nothing. Honey, when you learn anything about your own "faith" then we can have a discussion. For now? You get the Clue-By-Four. So here's the comment I'm unable to post to you. Oh, I'll track you down. You are the second type of Mormon I can't stand: the one that wants all the privileges and protection of belonging to a group without CONTRIBUTING to said group. (The first is the die-hard controlling, woman hating, power hungry, priesthood is the key type, if anyone wanted to know.)

...and I should mention this was my first comment about this, this was my booyahkasha moment deaux, first paragraph only. Her reply to any? Silence.



Man, I don't even have to read this whole thing to start finding your own inability to practice what you preach.

My opinion is that you cannot dwell on history. I am not saying that means get over it. I am saying that if you continue to hold resentment over something that has happened in the past, then the hatred and animosity will continue.

So... when are you going to follow that? Like you say in the next paragraph, Joseph was murdered. That was 1844. That is officially the past. That is officially when the persecution against Mormons ended. (Crack a book and learn something, please. My family was a part of the Martin Handcart company, so don't tell me what I know, please.)

People not wanting the missionaries in their home isn't being treated like shit, and that doesn't equal THE ENTIRE FAITH being persecuted. Missionaries push themselves onto people (something you obv. know nothing about as you've clearly not served a mission) so it is fitting that people PUSH BACK. Again? Not persecution. Yeah, that 70% population of Mormons that control everything in the state of Utah? Persecuted. By who, exactly?

And let's get something out here, "Marie." You're NOT Mormon. Oh, you may have been baptized in the church, but you're not active. You're (by your own user infos) bi-sexual. That's not allowed. You write (or try to write) porn and play in porny RPGs. That's not allowed. What would John Bytheway say? You don't "Choose the Right." You don't have your endowments, and take the sacrament and go regularly and jump through all those hoops. Give me a fucking break. You've been conditioned by the church to automatically knee-jerk and say "We're being oppressed! Help! He's oppressing me!"

But you're not. You're not tagged and rounded up.(Jews) You're not denied entry into countries. (Afghani) You're not systematically raped because of you simply being a woman. (Darfur.)

So STFU, quit clinging to the Mormon Church as if you give a shit, and LEARN SOME THINGS before you spout off. And this from your teal deer?

We were slandering them.


YOU ARE INVOLVED IN A FORM OF PERSECUTION BY DOING SO. Hey, Pot? I'm Kettle. You're black.

And you typed: (my commentary in red)

I do understand it and can understand the prejudice on a much smaller scale by being Mormon (our leader was murdered [because he was raping people's daughters and screwing their wives, did you know? Of course not.], the early mormons were forced out of their homes, our churches and temples were burned [No, they weren't. Kirkland still stands, and Navoo was destroyed BY THE MORMONS so it wouldn't be "sullied." Crack a book, please.] and most didn't survive the trail to Utah [because of Brigham Young not wanting to spend any of the money he'd aquired by taking control the church. They were still living The United Order at time, aka COMMUNISM, and how do I know? Because several of my family members DIED ALONG THE WAY. They were not murdered. They chose to leave and follow a miserly dick.], then there were groups murdered [no, there weren't - not on this time line], the us government thought we were creating an army [BECAUSE THEY WERE. Joseph was the fucking GENERAL you half-wit! Then Brigham had the Mormon Milita! Wow, you are really uneducated.] and we had to hide our temple [NO THEY DIDN'T. What the hell? From who, the Ute Indians? Jesus H.], today we still deal with people who don't understand and call us a cult [BECAUSE YOU ARE. Look at these answers of yours, and you're not even ACTIVE!], who treat our missionaries like complete shit [possibly because the missionaries stand outside the Vatican and call the Catholic Church the WHORE OF BABYLON? Gosh, people *do* treat the Mormons poorly. By not joining or opening the door], who think we're all polygamists and practice incest [now you're just reaching], that we do outrageous and vile ceremonies in our temples), but no, since millions of us haven't been slaughtered, I don't know what the prejudice is like. [Oho. We're not talking PREJUDICE, you silly, stupid girl. We're talking PERSECUTION. I see how you could get confused, though. They're both "P" words. *pouts* Words are hard, you gaiz!]


All it takes is one thing to be blown out of proportion, spread like wild fire and there you've got yourself "a fact".

I believe that is how the Mormon Church was started. Again, see that my family is full of General Authorities, Apostles, Quorum of the 70 leaders, all stretching back to the early days of the church. So again: STFU about how you suddenly "feel" for the Mormon Church. Is it because it's the only straw you can grasp? I believe so.

Find another way to sublimate your racism. Saying you have been persecuted, zomg, so you can persecute others isn't a defense. Saying you have German heritage waaaaay down the line, so it's a way for you to cope with your past isn't a defense. Also? Y'all are writing a PORN RPG. How the fuck is that any intellectual endeavor? Honey, I write porn, and it's all about the low-down tickle, not expanding your mind. That's the shit 18 year old boys say when they want to try and get you to take it up the ass, you know, "just the tip."

Last thing, and then I'm seriously done with you: CENSORSHIP would be kicking your game to the curb, aka: bahleetion. You changing your RPGs name is a sign of RESPECT. Jesus, someone hit this chick with a Webster's Dictionary (or the OED) and upside the head, stat.


Open. A. Book. Didn't you claim to be "intellectual?" Where? In your shoe choice? The type of eggs you purchase? Where is there ANY THOUGHT backed up by reason and logic anywhere? It doesn't exist, you are a fool. You really should feel shame for being such a fool. Good fucking hell.


Give me a fucking break. Side note to the heavens/Yahweh/PTB: Thank you. I've needed this. Best. Present. Ever. (Oh, and the new name - see subject heading - could possibly be the LibbyMarieAntoinette Syndrome.)

Palate cleanser to make sure we have a good day:

:D
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Date: 2008-05-06 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pernickety.livejournal.com
Those ranting pants are so hot on you.

Date: 2008-05-06 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
*drops a hankie and slooooowly bends over to pick it up*

I figure, everyone's hit her on her dumb "Jews should get over it, tchuh!" comment, I should hit the meat of why she's so stupid. :D

Date: 2008-05-06 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanphibian.livejournal.com
This is a thing of beauty. ♥

Date: 2008-05-06 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
She wouldn't respond to any of the other comments I've made, although in the same thread in [livejournal.com profile] amireal's journal she commented to everyone else. Telling, that.

<3 <3 <3

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Date: 2008-05-06 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aukestrel.livejournal.com
One good thing came of this: someone was able to be much more articulate and un-full of rage than I am able to be. Also she was able to comment, which I wasn't. *g*

(this is LJ user [livejournal.com profile] aesc)

espectfully, it was not Nazi-like at all. The Nazis were a political party, with the organization and bureaucracy of a formal government (however perverse) behind it, and a specific agenda that disregarded ethical and moral barriers in the worst possible way. The people who have been arguing with you haven't conspired to deprive you of your right to an online presence, haven't hacked the community account and deleted it or hacked your personal journals. Even if they had, it wouldn't make them Nazi-like, even in the loosest sense. Further, your RPG can hardly be considered comparable to a minority that had no realistic option to change its race or religion (and had no inclination to, nor should they have had such an inclination). By claiming those who disagree with you are Nazi-like, you're inferring a moral/ethical blindness and mob mentality (and a level of organization with destructive intent) that would be insulting to most people; in alluding to Nazi-like behavior, you are devaluing their pain and anger, whether you mean to or not.

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Wow. Thank you. That was exactly what I wanted to point out, but you stated it much better than I could have and with an amazing clarity of thought. It's people like you that give me faith in humanity.

Date: 2008-05-06 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
I read her comment and LOVED IT. I'm beyond able to sit calmly like a kindergarten teacher and be patient with this girl. I'm glad other people are able to.

It's mind boggling to me how this kid just does not get it. WTF? Concentration camps are just like Azkaban, so we use pictures of models making horns to write RPG porn. How is this offensive? *smack against the back of her head*

Date: 2008-05-06 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
See icon. :)

Date: 2008-05-06 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chantal87.livejournal.com
We need to have sex RIGHT NOW!

Date: 2008-05-06 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
GET IN MY BELLEH. <-- if we were having bad!fic sex. :D

I'm about to get a murder boner, M.

Date: 2008-05-06 03:36 pm (UTC)
lynnenne: (simpsons mwah by ?)
From: [personal profile] lynnenne
since millions of us haven't been slaughtered, I don't know what the prejudice is like.

Um. Yes?

Why is this so difficult for people to comprehend? NOTHING is the same as having millions of your people SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATED. Ever.

Fuckwit.

P.S. I love you.
Edited Date: 2008-05-06 03:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-05-06 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
Isn't she crazy? Like from Crazyville, crazy floor of crazy building?

And if she thinks she knows the meaning of extermination of her people, allow me to be the muthafuckin ORKIN MAN on her ass.

AND DITTO, Sweet cheeks.

Date: 2008-05-06 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xochitl42.livejournal.com
I wish I could have something to say in response tht is as keenly expressed and concise--and effective--as your words.

But I can't, so I'll just bask in the thermonuclear afterglow. :D

Date: 2008-05-06 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
And she keeps avoiding all the Mormons = Jews rebuttals from me. Hmmm. Can't imagine why...

Possibly because she has no hover craft to keep her upright when she has no leg to stand on.

Date: 2008-05-06 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chopchica.livejournal.com
Man, I wish she hadn't locked down comments in her journal before you woke up!

Date: 2008-05-06 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
ME, TOO. however, I love that LJ allows you to "send a message to this user" on the UI page.

I've been doing just that. :D Your icon is made of puppies and sunshine and sparkles.

Date: 2008-05-06 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julia-here.livejournal.com
Miss Let Them Eat Cake is, indeed, a bit too much of a Princess to be believed.

I would have more bogglement over the utter historical ignorance of these sprouts if I hadn't had kids taking what passes for history classes in public schools recently.

Julia, please assume long rantification about the discontinuity and sketchiness of the history curriculum, yo

Date: 2008-05-06 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
It's really breath taking, the lack of sense on her part coupled with her own self-proclamation of being an intellect.

And while I agree that history in public schools is lacking, she's got a special flavor of dumb at work here intensifying the stupid.

Date: 2008-05-06 04:24 pm (UTC)
ext_1175: (Bug Juice)
From: [identity profile] lamardeuse.livejournal.com
Also, we need a new Godwin's Law for a Godwin's Law based wank.

I was thinking this VERY SAME THING. This wank deserves its OWN LAW.

Also: You win at Mormon history, and P words.

And I'd like to kick in a little toward the Bill Stickers Legal Defense Fund. Let us know where we can contribute. :D

Date: 2008-05-06 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
It needs a new law, absolutely. Wait, she's too ignorant to warrant a law. Might I suggest a Theory? :D

Isn't that sign hilarious? I walk away, I come back, I still laugh.

(And as I'm writing a book on Mormons and the Mormon Culture, I think that selling that might be my best revenge. *rubs hands*)

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Uses only religious icon. . .

Date: 2008-05-06 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marenfic.livejournal.com
I honestly don't think she is capable of understanding She shows a complete lack of cognitive flexibility and she's never going to get it. People like this chick grow up internalizing every little thing an authority figure (parent, prophet, whatever) tells them is true about the world and they simply cannot think for themselves and reason about issues in any kind of advanced, abstract way.

It makes me so sad about the world, because there are always going to be people like her who just will NEVER get it because the combo of their personality features and brain-meat deficits will make it impossible. Unless all the religious authorities (because, lets be honest, that's where a lot of the right-wing authoritarian/socially dominant oriented people look for instructions on how to think) start being incredibly tolerant and start believing in the importance of basic human rights and treating all other people with dignity and respect-- then we'll be ok.

:)

In other news, BILL STICKERS IS INNOCENT may be my new journal title. That made me laugh out loud.

Same here...

Date: 2008-05-06 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
Exactly, she really can't comprehend. Excellent point about her internalizing everything her personal authority figures have told her. (But it was in a book! That means it's true! Even though it was a religious vanity press...) I want to hold your second paragraph to my heart and make it all better, all while agreeing with every word you wrote.

That sign makes me laugh every time I see it. THAT, my friends, IS SOMEONE USING THEIR NOODLE. For the Greater Good. :D

In conclusion, come over and make out with me. (At least lemme get you liquored up.)

Date: 2008-05-06 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebratqueen.livejournal.com
1) Sex now, seriously
2) BILL STICKERS IS INNOCENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: 2008-05-06 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
1) get the "basket" properly oiled, check.
2) It's just The Man trying to keep Bill Stickers down!!!

WIN

Date: 2008-05-06 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azryal.livejournal.com
I know you've been getting lots of "You win, you rock, you are the QUEEN of AWESOME" comments, but I couldn't resist giving you one more.

You're neat.

:-*

Mae

Date: 2008-05-06 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
Because seriously, I hate being told that. HATE IT. I'm lying. :D

Dear Mae:
You are made of heart shaped stickers and sunshine.
Love, Me.

Date: 2008-05-06 06:06 pm (UTC)
ext_7299: (Default)
From: [identity profile] redbrickrose.livejournal.com
You are fantastic. <3

Date: 2008-05-06 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
No, YOU are! <3 (And can I just say how JEALOUS I am that you three have been hanging out in the 'Bama? Why oh why couldn't you have moved one week earlier when I was there? *woeful noises*

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Date: 2008-05-06 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drusplace.livejournal.com
*shakes head at all the weirdoes*

And just to make you laugh, I originally read this post this morning, when it first went up, and I was trying to figure out who the heck Bill Stickers was and why he was being prosecuted. Feel free to laugh your behind off at me. I just did. *grins*

Date: 2008-05-06 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
Oh, bless your little heart. Somewhere there IS a Bill Stickers, and he felt three sizes larger today because of your worry. HEEE!

*squish*

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Date: 2008-05-06 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] irishrose1.livejournal.com
Heeeeeee...I love people like that. No seriously, because they are so much fun to completely make fun of. Heck, you don't even have to work hard to do it. They pretty much do it themselves!

Who says stupid people have no place in this world? They are my primary source of entertainment!

FREE BILL STICKERS!!!!

Date: 2008-05-06 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
Yeah - this girl gives herself her own rope!

BILL STICKERS IS INNOCENT!!! *makes protest signs*

Date: 2008-05-06 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com
*makes out with this post*

Date: 2008-05-06 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
*gets you and this post a room, sheesh*

I mean, come on. My delicate sensitivities. :D

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Date: 2008-05-06 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darlas-mom.livejournal.com
I want to have this post condensed into pill format that I can randomly shove down people's throats whenever they're being especially stupid.

Also, I was polite as could be this morning to the missionaries that came knocking on my door at SEVEN A.M. (Is that normal missionary procedure, or were these boys particularly dedicated?) Though admittedly, I did take great cynical, semi-sadistic pleasure in offering them coffee.

Date: 2008-05-06 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
Wait, 7?? They are supposed to get up at 6:30, prepare for the day, study their scriptures, and leave the house at 9:30 am. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. They have strict rules. If it happens again, tell them you think Joseph Smith was a pedophile, and to have a good day. :)

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Yes!

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Date: 2008-05-07 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dovil.livejournal.com
Find another way to sublimate your racism.

DINGDINGDINGDING! And folks, we have a winner!

I'm SO buying you a bottle of something.

Date: 2008-05-07 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
I mean, that's what it ultimately boils down to, am I right? Yeah, I'm right. Now come over after work and help me drink this bottle of pinot grigio.

*sends Sam the swimming mail donkey*

Date: 2008-05-07 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com
Man, you are SO turning me on right now.

Date: 2008-05-07 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
*shows you my other ankle*

She has yet to respond to my emails. I'm sure she won't. But I know she feels dumb. Deeeeeeeep down inside.

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Date: 2008-05-07 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nwhepcat.livejournal.com
You rock so hard.

This idiot just never knows when to quit, does she?

I'm fascinated by your perspective on this argument, and by your commentary on the LDS.

Date: 2008-05-07 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
Man, let's hope that this latest bout of STFUs from the internets will get her to zip her lip. One can only hope...

I'm glad to hear someone's interested in all of my blather, I must say. :D

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Date: 2008-05-07 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elucidate-this.livejournal.com
your brain gets me hot sometimes stoney. for reals.

Date: 2008-05-07 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
then I shall send fans so that you are cool. Oh wait, you already ARE cool. *G*

Date: 2008-05-07 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anelith.livejournal.com
If I could add little teeny pom-poms to Chekov's hands in this icon I would because I feel like a cheerleader after reading this post. Go Stoney! Yay Laura! Whoo hoo!

Date: 2008-05-07 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
THAT IS THE MOST AWESOME ICON EVER!! I give you Spock's Jazz Hands in return!

<3 <3 <3

(Oh, side note. There was an extensive article in my paper today about joint replacement and surgery. :D Timely, non? I'm teasing you. <3)

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Date: 2008-05-07 03:08 am (UTC)
celli: a woman and a man holding hands, captioned "i treasure" (bring it on)
From: [personal profile] celli
*thumbs up*

Date: 2008-05-07 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
*balances chocolates on your thumb tips*

Date: 2008-05-07 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kdorian.livejournal.com
Yes. What you said, 1000 times more awesomely than I ever could have.

Also, when you have a link, I'll contribute to the Bill Stickers Defense fund!

Date: 2008-05-07 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com
*high fives you*

I'm thinking of starting a bake sale to raise money for poor ol' Bill Stickers. He was just STANDING by the bank robbery. Or whatever it is they say he did...

;)

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