drive-by rec and a whine
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I read a fic last night that was really sweet, and evidently the writer's first piece of fanfic. Think about your first fanfic. I am so ashamed of mine, just crap. This story is not, it's a sweet look at Kurt deciding to take that next step and being mature about it (talking with Burt, Blaine) so go encourage a new writer to keep at it, because if this is her first? Just imagine where she'll go. *unicorn farts a rainbow*
(I confess to being selfish in the recs I've been putting up - I want quality fic to come out, and boy, is that lacking most of the time in Glee fandom. Mostly because writers are young, inexperienced, whatever. Quantity is preferred over quality. Boo. ENCOURAGE GOOD WRITING, PEOPLE. Esp. when characters are IN character. You can be AU and still in character, kids.)
But I have been having a case of the blahs for the past two days about this STOOPID BOOK I am trying to write.
My #1 goal with Oh My Heck! is to not sound like every other "I was __religious affiliation__ and now I'm not" type of book, you know, dry, dusty, faux-spiritual and just very "I have learned so much and am at peace, now." Because hey, have you met me? There's a reason Matt Stone and Trey Parker are my spirit animal. (They are one in my mind.) I'm trying to make it funny so I can sneak attack the holy shit, you believed what?! factor in there.
Currently I'm trying to rework a chapter on sex and I went digging in my old journals and the letters that I wrote to myself when I was 12, etc. (God, they are so embarrassing.) I started remembering all of the talks we had every Sunday in Young Women's (girls 12 - 18 are sequestered for religious training for an hour every week) and how EVERYTHING was shame based
Example, and remember that what's taught in one church building is taught in ALL church buildings. Every teacher gets a universal manual, and you teach what they tell you, period. Our teacher brought in cupcakes for all of us, about 9 girls total. She licked one, put it in the box, and passed them around. Of course no one wanted the licked cupcake, right? So someone was out of luck on cupcakes, because one was disgusting and gross and awful, and that's just like you will be if you lose your "virtue." You will be a disgusting licked cupcake that no one wants. *spits in your face*
The boys also had this lesson, with cupcakes. About girls. (I am adding a bit to my book about hot dogs, dropping one, offering it to the guys. Why not that lesson, teachers? Also, does my loving the act of licking frosting off a cupcake "mean" something about my sexuality?? Ha. I have an entire paragraph that is basically a cunnilingus joke. Because I'm classy.)
But there were lessons of picking gum that had been chewed vs. unchewed, there was the board with nails hammered in it (wow, subtle) and how you can pull the nail out, but the hole is still there! On and on. Everything about girls and their virtue, not boys and their virtue beyond them not masturbating.
And then I remembered all of the stories where we were encouraged to kill ourselves instead of losing our virtue. We were taught stories of brave and wonderful girls that flung themselves off a cliff rather than letting a boy tarnish her flower. NO, REALLY. Another story about a sad girl that had a drink at a party and had to live the rest of her life knowing that she lost her virtue that night because she had alcohol.
...you following? I know this is old school misogyny. I know it. But it's STILL BEING TAUGHT. And that shit stuck with me for years. That women I looked up to and admired and wanted to be like would be disgusted by me, a dirty flower, because a grown man "soiled my petals" by you know, molesting me. Even though it isn't my fault, wasn't my fault, good hell it's been decades by this point.
Anyway, I'm having a really hard time trying to make this shit funny today. (But
kita0610? I think I got that chapter on Women to be more "me" than it was before. All it took was me remembering the 8 Cow Wife story. Good god, the crap I had to ingest every single week. GAH!)
I think instead of working on that stuff I might retool the Mormon missionary fic and repost it, since I deleted my Insanejournal account where it was stored. IDK, I'm moody today.
(I confess to being selfish in the recs I've been putting up - I want quality fic to come out, and boy, is that lacking most of the time in Glee fandom. Mostly because writers are young, inexperienced, whatever. Quantity is preferred over quality. Boo. ENCOURAGE GOOD WRITING, PEOPLE. Esp. when characters are IN character. You can be AU and still in character, kids.)
But I have been having a case of the blahs for the past two days about this STOOPID BOOK I am trying to write.
My #1 goal with Oh My Heck! is to not sound like every other "I was __religious affiliation__ and now I'm not" type of book, you know, dry, dusty, faux-spiritual and just very "I have learned so much and am at peace, now." Because hey, have you met me? There's a reason Matt Stone and Trey Parker are my spirit animal. (They are one in my mind.) I'm trying to make it funny so I can sneak attack the holy shit, you believed what?! factor in there.
Currently I'm trying to rework a chapter on sex and I went digging in my old journals and the letters that I wrote to myself when I was 12, etc. (God, they are so embarrassing.) I started remembering all of the talks we had every Sunday in Young Women's (girls 12 - 18 are sequestered for religious training for an hour every week) and how EVERYTHING was shame based
Example, and remember that what's taught in one church building is taught in ALL church buildings. Every teacher gets a universal manual, and you teach what they tell you, period. Our teacher brought in cupcakes for all of us, about 9 girls total. She licked one, put it in the box, and passed them around. Of course no one wanted the licked cupcake, right? So someone was out of luck on cupcakes, because one was disgusting and gross and awful, and that's just like you will be if you lose your "virtue." You will be a disgusting licked cupcake that no one wants. *spits in your face*
The boys also had this lesson, with cupcakes. About girls. (I am adding a bit to my book about hot dogs, dropping one, offering it to the guys. Why not that lesson, teachers? Also, does my loving the act of licking frosting off a cupcake "mean" something about my sexuality?? Ha. I have an entire paragraph that is basically a cunnilingus joke. Because I'm classy.)
But there were lessons of picking gum that had been chewed vs. unchewed, there was the board with nails hammered in it (wow, subtle) and how you can pull the nail out, but the hole is still there! On and on. Everything about girls and their virtue, not boys and their virtue beyond them not masturbating.
And then I remembered all of the stories where we were encouraged to kill ourselves instead of losing our virtue. We were taught stories of brave and wonderful girls that flung themselves off a cliff rather than letting a boy tarnish her flower. NO, REALLY. Another story about a sad girl that had a drink at a party and had to live the rest of her life knowing that she lost her virtue that night because she had alcohol.
...you following? I know this is old school misogyny. I know it. But it's STILL BEING TAUGHT. And that shit stuck with me for years. That women I looked up to and admired and wanted to be like would be disgusted by me, a dirty flower, because a grown man "soiled my petals" by you know, molesting me. Even though it isn't my fault, wasn't my fault, good hell it's been decades by this point.
Anyway, I'm having a really hard time trying to make this shit funny today. (But
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I think instead of working on that stuff I might retool the Mormon missionary fic and repost it, since I deleted my Insanejournal account where it was stored. IDK, I'm moody today.
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Date: 2011-10-19 03:22 pm (UTC)Also, I kind of like the phrase "soiled my petals" and I plan on working it in to everyday conversation. Bonus points if I can get a "delightsome" in there, too.
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Date: 2011-10-19 03:25 pm (UTC)Which of course needs to be white and delightsome.
True story: after Elizabeth Smart (who's dad is a wealthy and high-up LDS officer) they had to re-work the whole "your virtue is ruined if a man touches you" shit.
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Date: 2011-10-19 03:30 pm (UTC)*I don't regret this one bit.
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Date: 2011-10-19 03:36 pm (UTC)I think you having sex at a Baptist lock-in trumps the friend that had sex with a missionary at the church in the baptismal font. GO GETCHA SOME, GIRLFRIEND! :D
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Date: 2011-10-19 04:57 pm (UTC)uuuuuuuuuuuugh, FUCK, Johnny Lingo, GOD. THAT MOVIE MADE ME SO MAD. LIKE EVEN AS A TWELVE YEAR OLD. also, did you know that they changed up the YW motto so that now it includes "we will be prepared to strengthen home and family"? Like. just. FUCK, GUYS. COULD YOU BE ANY MORE OBVIOUS ABOUT WANTING YOUR WOMEN TO KEEP SWEET AND KNOW THEIR PLACE?
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Date: 2011-10-19 05:43 pm (UTC)To those who think maybe Stoney's exaggerating - she totally isn't.
*primal scream*
I need coffee to wash this away. And maybe some cherry wine.
(You'll let us know when The Book is done, yah? I need this on my bookshelf.)
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Date: 2011-10-19 06:18 pm (UTC)(PUH. I will pimp it like a purchased child bride, please.)
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Date: 2011-10-19 06:28 pm (UTC)They are STILL posting about how girls are like apples on a tree and boys pick the rotten ones off the ground because they are easy and they tag it with TELL THIS TO YOUR DAUGHTERS and I keep replying with NO ACTUALLY I DO NOT WANT MY DAUGHTER TO THINK IT IS OKAY TO CALL OTHER GIRLS ROTTEN FRUIT YOU INSANE PERSON.
Damn, Stoney. I admire your sanity more and more every day.
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Date: 2011-10-19 06:34 pm (UTC)Oh, then there was the lesson in how to dress for a date: do you want to be a burger in paper or a rare steak on china? BECAUSE FOOD ANALOGIES ARE GOOD FOR LADIES.
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Date: 2011-10-19 06:35 pm (UTC)And, just huge internet hugs for the girl you were struggling against the awful stuff that happened to you and the stupid things you were taught that made it worse. :(
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Date: 2011-10-19 06:42 pm (UTC)*hugs back*
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Date: 2011-10-19 06:41 pm (UTC)I remember and love your Mormon missionary fic! I was just thinking of it the other day -- I think because Mitt Romney's been in the news so much, and that is SO not linking him to your fic (because *shudder*), but rather because every time he's in the news there's a mention of him being Mormon.
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Date: 2011-10-19 06:44 pm (UTC)Ha, I didn't think you were envisioning Mitt falling in love with his Mission companion, so we're all good there. Heeeee.
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Date: 2011-10-19 08:06 pm (UTC)I know you're striving for the funny in the Book... But most of this shit isn't funny. It stays sad no matter how you spin it.... Especially if you lived it and internalized it. So... Idk... Make the funny bitter, maybe. Tell your audience:: I know you think this is hilarious, and I'll laugh with you - but the jokes on you b/c I'm making you laugh about something
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Date: 2011-10-19 08:08 pm (UTC)... Or you know, don't be a manipulative sadist :)
Ugh! Sorry about the split posting but my phone hates me today.
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Date: 2011-10-19 10:02 pm (UTC)Of course, i immediately thought of you. :)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/opinion/dowd-anne-frank-a-mormon.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.mc_id=OP-SM-E-FB-SM-LIN-AFM-101911-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click
And, meant to add...how in the *hell* can people do this to little girls and think they're doing *good*? It's just...rage-inducing.
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Date: 2011-10-19 11:27 pm (UTC)I am waiting with bated breath for the missionary fic!
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Date: 2011-10-20 12:29 am (UTC)Oh, that's so nice to know! I'm working on it right now, actually (adding a little more to it.)
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Date: 2011-10-19 11:46 pm (UTC)YES GIRLS YOU ALWAYS WANT THEM TO PULL THE NAIL OUT IYKWIM
also I would've raised my hand to ask about the TWO OTHER AVAILABLE HOLES, tbh.
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Date: 2011-10-20 12:28 am (UTC)I would expect nothing less of you.
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Date: 2011-10-20 12:30 am (UTC)It breaks my heart that it seems the Mormons appear to hold disdain for victims of childhood sexual abuse, thinking or at the very least quite strongly implying to them that they're soiled -- it's all fucked up, but that is so. fucked. up.
I don't know if I've ever said it clearly, but I'm so proud of you for continuing to work on your book and get your manuscript out there. You're going to find an agent and a publisher who stand behind your project one day, and then we'll all pre-order your book!
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Date: 2011-10-20 12:45 am (UTC)SUBTLE HUH.
THANK YOU MISS J I REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. Seriously.
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Date: 2011-10-20 02:26 am (UTC)WHAT STONEY WHAT??? THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT?!? These people should be prosecuted for child abuse.
Did they practice "honor killings" too?? Jay-zuz.
How have I ever mentioned how FREAKING AMAZING you are for surviving all the shit you went through and coming out so awesome? Because you TOTALLY ARE.
ILU, BB, and I hate hate hate that they tried to brainwash you this way. And the way you're raising your kids? You're my freaking hero.
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Date: 2011-10-20 02:36 am (UTC)ARE YOU FUCKING K-
I just. Yeah. It's not a good religion. And I love you too, sweetie. XOXOX
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Date: 2011-10-20 02:51 pm (UTC)And I can't believe they would ruin cupcake-licking by saying it's a bad thing. Licking cupcakes is the sexiest thing, ever - well, tied with sucking the ice cream on the top of an ice cream cone. I had a friend in high school who was a semi-romantic interest. We never dated or made out, but when we had cupcakes and ice cream cones - gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahunf.
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Date: 2011-10-20 03:33 pm (UTC)And I totally turn the cupcake licking into a joke, because that's how I roll. LAUGHING THROUGH THE BZUHS, that's my motto!
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Date: 2011-10-20 07:40 pm (UTC)I don't remember all the "virtue" lessons in YW. I know there were some (the 8 cows, for one), but not with visual/physical aids. I would remember cupcakes. Maybe I just missed a lot of them spending every other week at a different branch. Or maybe it just didn't stay with me since I lost a lot of faith in mormonism when my parents divorced when I was twelve. Very disillusioning to a kid who's been told their whole life that marriage is eternal, blah, blah, blah, and then gets to live through a really nasty divorce. Still took me a long time to work my way all the way out, but maybe my disillusionment kept stuff from sticking so hard. (I'm an animistic pantheist now.)
I think we got more in the way of lessons on cooking and keeping house and how to be the "perfect" housewife. But who knows, maybe being in a Mississippi backwater let some of my teachers buck the system and teach us something different.
Anyway, I am really really really looking forward to your book, because you are hi-larious!
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Date: 2011-10-20 07:49 pm (UTC)Being in "the mission field" probably is why you didn't have it (if it didn't happen on the days you missed.) Some of my weirdest lessons by far were when I lived in Utah. CRAZY.
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