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May. 21st, 2007 08:32 am[ETA] I log ALL IPs that hit my journal, be it the user info page, or individual posts. It's for a benign reason (tracking actual hit counts, tracking spam), but let me state clearly: THE PEOPLE WHO ACCUSE ME OF BULLYING (and who constantly wave the flag of "don't like it? Don't read it.") read my journal. I have the IP proof. Let that serve as a "warning" for those who don't want to be associated with me. :)
I am not a bully. [shakes jowls like Nixon] I am getting really sick and tired of whiny people claiming that women with opinions are bullies. IT IS NOT BULLYING TO STATE AN OPINION ON THINGS, and shame on you who would try and get people to think that way.
Shame on you. For being weak enough to cower behind others and go with the flow. Shame on you for turning something horrible (say, oh, let me just pull something out of the air.... RAPE.) into something as casual as a comment about a hobby you enjoy. I think I'll turn the word rape into something meaningless: when I get into my car, I rape it. I'm going to rape the milk into the fridge. I raped my knee when I conked it on the table leg. Or maybe NOT. As a person that was actually raped, FUCK YOU. Oh, but first I was kidnapped, bound, almost taken out of the country, then raped. But because I am a strong woman (or is that a bully? I can't remember which) I beat the ever-loving shit out of my attacker when he was finished. I then took his wallet and got me a ticket home. Then I got to face my female boss who looked disapprovingly at me and said WITH NO IRONY: "You seem to have a lot of drama in your life. This needs to change if you're going to continue working here."
*sucks teeth*
I've been slowly defriended over the past few days by people who obviously feel that I'm a bully. Go right on ahead and get with your getting. Hell, anyone on the fence about me? Move along, you won't hurt my feelings, and maybe we'll both heave a sigh of relief. Jesus fucking Christ, we are talking about stories of Angel being made out of moss and bark and growing a dick for Spike. Because my eyes pop out of my head and I boggle at that being LAUDED, I'm a fucking bully? Ahahahahahaha!
Here's my final thought: you're embarrassed about being caught on the side of the Angel rape Willow with soap/Angel is a bark man and maybe has tentacles/a mildly retarded boxer Angel wants to fuck a crippled Spike/(seahorses? Were there seahorses, or was that a crack!fic I wrote? Huh)/fic and you have to defend it, so you call out the people who don't happen to like something (and again: OPINIONS. Stated in their own journals) as being mean and horrible. <-- actual word used. I could be wrong. Feel free to (continue) to mention in your own world how wrong I am. I really couldn't care less, my life isn't changed by people not liking me on the fucking INTERNET.
But people who continue to demean women for HAVING OPINIONS and the STRENGTH TO STATE THEM are in the wrong. Period. And if you think it's not a big deal to devalue those who have been raped? YOU ARE WRONG. Shame on you. Joss says so. And I love Lynne.
THE END. (from me. Never again will I address this foolishness.)
I am not a bully. [shakes jowls like Nixon] I am getting really sick and tired of whiny people claiming that women with opinions are bullies. IT IS NOT BULLYING TO STATE AN OPINION ON THINGS, and shame on you who would try and get people to think that way.
Shame on you. For being weak enough to cower behind others and go with the flow. Shame on you for turning something horrible (say, oh, let me just pull something out of the air.... RAPE.) into something as casual as a comment about a hobby you enjoy. I think I'll turn the word rape into something meaningless: when I get into my car, I rape it. I'm going to rape the milk into the fridge. I raped my knee when I conked it on the table leg. Or maybe NOT. As a person that was actually raped, FUCK YOU. Oh, but first I was kidnapped, bound, almost taken out of the country, then raped. But because I am a strong woman (or is that a bully? I can't remember which) I beat the ever-loving shit out of my attacker when he was finished. I then took his wallet and got me a ticket home. Then I got to face my female boss who looked disapprovingly at me and said WITH NO IRONY: "You seem to have a lot of drama in your life. This needs to change if you're going to continue working here."
*sucks teeth*
I've been slowly defriended over the past few days by people who obviously feel that I'm a bully. Go right on ahead and get with your getting. Hell, anyone on the fence about me? Move along, you won't hurt my feelings, and maybe we'll both heave a sigh of relief. Jesus fucking Christ, we are talking about stories of Angel being made out of moss and bark and growing a dick for Spike. Because my eyes pop out of my head and I boggle at that being LAUDED, I'm a fucking bully? Ahahahahahaha!
Here's my final thought: you're embarrassed about being caught on the side of the Angel rape Willow with soap/Angel is a bark man and maybe has tentacles/a mildly retarded boxer Angel wants to fuck a crippled Spike/(seahorses? Were there seahorses, or was that a crack!fic I wrote? Huh)/fic and you have to defend it, so you call out the people who don't happen to like something (and again: OPINIONS. Stated in their own journals) as being mean and horrible. <-- actual word used. I could be wrong. Feel free to (continue) to mention in your own world how wrong I am. I really couldn't care less, my life isn't changed by people not liking me on the fucking INTERNET.
But people who continue to demean women for HAVING OPINIONS and the STRENGTH TO STATE THEM are in the wrong. Period. And if you think it's not a big deal to devalue those who have been raped? YOU ARE WRONG. Shame on you. Joss says so. And I love Lynne.
THE END. (from me. Never again will I address this foolishness.)
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Date: 2007-05-21 01:37 pm (UTC)(...where 'defriend' means CLINGS TO YOU OMG::
Why do I have the feeling that I should be sorta glad I haven't had much time for LJ lately?
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Date: 2007-05-21 01:40 pm (UTC)Dude, your blood pressure will thank you for having been gone. <3 <3 <3 U.
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Date: 2007-05-21 01:44 pm (UTC)People defriend you for being you? Good riddance.
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Date: 2007-05-21 01:48 pm (UTC)And I'm ALL about thinning the herd. People don't like me? No worries. I don't like everyone, either.
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Date: 2007-05-21 01:59 pm (UTC)Wah, wah, wah. Welcome to life people, not everybody likes you and sometimes, they say that out loud.
I'm going back to SGA. At least there we wank about thinks that, oh, have at least some significance? With people who are not quite so stupid?
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:03 pm (UTC)So I can see every morning who has hit my journal. And they read. They click. I love the "don't like it, don't read it!" mindset not applying to them. (Unless, as I mentioned to Dovil, I'm to assume they LIKE my journal? They just don't want to admit it?)
I'm sticking with my normal blogging. Jesus we're talking about BLOGGING, you know? Get thicker skin, people. It's freaking BINARY.
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-21 02:04 pm (UTC)I'm almost positive it's the weekend after this coming one. WHOO and a HOO.
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:04 pm (UTC):)
Hi.
I wonder what that 'these people friended you/unfriended you' page will say if i go look. Do i care? I really don't think so.
Wow - *kidnapped*? Jayzus, dude. But yayayay for the beating up and the wallet appropriation. Yay!
It's possible i should friend you. Why haven't i? Hrmmmmmmm...
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:08 pm (UTC)I say go on and with my blessing. Don't like me? DON'T READ ME. It's simple. (Unless they love to read it, so *shrug*)
Yeah - I was 19, it was a jilted lover, too. I'm small, but wiry. :D
You haven't friended me because I AM EVIL. :D *squish*
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:05 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:07 pm (UTC)It's your journal, gives you free rein to whatever you want to express.
I'm sorry about that. I think you have a pretty intelligent journal actually:)
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:10 pm (UTC)Well, thank you. I can't say that it's true for every post, but heh. :D
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:11 pm (UTC)Boy does crap happen while I am gone....
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:12 pm (UTC)Wish I could say somethign more useful.
[[[hugs again]]]
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:14 pm (UTC)*hugs you loads, too*
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:21 pm (UTC)Well, I can safely say (without even getting to the bottom of what the other person was thinking) that you're better off without that person on your flist, you know? CHILD MOLESTERS. Oooh, I have NO sympathy for them. NONE.
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:17 pm (UTC)You know damn well these same people wouldn't be getting up in arms if anyone offered an opinion that the fic of Fanbrat XYZ on ff.net was out of character. What about if someone voices the opinion that Season 7 of BtVS wasn't their favorite? Are they bullying Joss?
And I'm saying this as someone who wibbles and goes "OMG, did I have any weeping cocks in my fic?" whenever someone says "OMG I hate weeping cocks!" But the last thing I'd ever do would be to demand that no one express opinions on writing because my delicate flowerness might be wilted. (I just, you know, take pills for that. It's my personal problem, not anyone else's.)
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:24 pm (UTC)"Are they bullying Joss?" Ahahahahahahahaha. YOU ARE SO WONDERFUL. And you know, I personally don't mind the "I hate weeping cocks [insert opinion here]" posts because I can go back through my fics and see if it's something bad, etc. I personally keep some of my older fics on my hard drive to remind me that I used to write OOC fics myself. And then I GOT BETTER. (Let's hope.)
(Oooh, and I've been defriended for critiquing my OWN fics! SERIOUSLY.)
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:17 pm (UTC)*makes you a morning mojito*
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:25 pm (UTC)Yeah, be glad you missed the wank. It was blood pressure raising. And apparently my willingness to state how I feel about things is what has me labeled as a bitch. (And someone said they would rather mutilate themselves than be in the same room as me, and MEANT IT.) I'm fine in my world without them, to be sure.
*SQUISH*
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-21 02:32 pm (UTC)Oh, HARM. You met me: didn't I try and shove you?
In conclusion: <3
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:51 pm (UTC)Yesterday, I heard that Sexymermaid had been bullied by some LJ users, I didn't even understand what that meant (I'm a big lurker, but not big on commenting unless it's fanfic/BtVS related) except I replied that it was weird that she was being bullied and that's good for that person to defriend those bullies. Whatever they did, it must have been awful -> thrown back by the usage of the word 'bully'.
Now I understand you criticized her fic, which in no way means bullying. Criticizing a work of fiction, whether harsh or light is not bullying or *deep frown* rape. I must say that I know nothing about what happened to be a good judge, but throwing words like 'bullying' or 'rape' like that is very insulting, especially when we're talking about fanfic here, this comes from a person who came to the world because her mother was raped.
Anyway, I hope things turn out for the best in the end. :)
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:59 pm (UTC)And we are like minded when it comes to using the words "bullying" and "rape." And I'll save you the trouble and link you to what I'm being accused of. (Feel free to ignore if you'd like to avoid the whole thing. I certainly won't mind.)
My first instance of "bullying." (You might notice the distinct lack of naming people at my end.)
My "critiquing" of her fic" - and honestly, I had no idea it was SM's fic.
My heart goes out to your mom, and my fist in the air at her strength. And my life is chugging on as normal. Honestly, I'm a pretty positive, happy-go-lucky person.
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:54 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:56 pm (UTC)I mean, after all, I work with a married woman who thinks that all feminists are lesbians - I'm surrounded by fools.
You need not deal with stupidity. And if I ever contribute, please let me know.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:02 pm (UTC)I can't imagine you bringing the stupid, so I'm fairly sure we're good, here. Heeeee! <3
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:58 pm (UTC)second: I feel like I have to say this so many times but FANFICTION here people. know what that means? Fans take concepts and write stories about them. And other fans-react. It's what we do. Authors know (or at least are supposed to) that their writing is not going to be taken well by everyone and warn people. Readers are not supposed to bash each other because we all don't go jumping up and down saying OMGITZSOKOOL! together and in the end we all like what we like. I'm not taking back anything I've said or will say (and I take into consideration that I know one of the story plots you mentioned and liked it-though I haven't finished reading it) and honestly I feel weirded out by people who keep moving back and forth depending on who calls them out.
You're not a bully. You're someone who has common sense. I can see where the mix-up occurs.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:06 pm (UTC)The mindset that everyone is supposed to like everything is just... Orwellian, it's not even funny. And yet, they're the ones that offer "freedom." OKAY, THEN.
And man, like what you like. I don't object to things existing on the internet/stories/etc. I've never once said that people should stop writing. Others have, but not me. But I have a right to my OPINION on said writing, as they have their right (and boy, that's a stretch using that word) to write it.
Keep on keeping on, but without the name calling. (And we're the ones accused of calling names! WOW.)
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:03 pm (UTC)I'm beginning to think that some of the people on LJ are so afraid to have an opinion that they run and hide at the first sign of one by someone else. Admittedly, I don't post my rants that often, but the ones I've read by you, I certainly agreed with.
And, frankly, I'm sickened by the usage of RAPE to describe anything other than a sexual assault. Like you, I've been there. I've also worked with people who've suffered through that trauma. It infuriates me when someone trivializes this trauma, especially when they are just using the term to get sympathy from others because their little feelings were hurt by honest criticism/discussion.
So, my dear, if you're a bully...then you go, girlfriend. Bully away, and let the little idiots fall by the wayside.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:08 pm (UTC)Oh, man, truer words were never spoken. Now, I get not wanting to be caught up in the "wank," seriously. But trying to tell people that they are horrible for feeling a certain way about something, THEN saying that it "raped your emotions" is just ASININE. Not to mention horribly offensive and hurtful.
In conclusion: You rock.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:03 pm (UTC)You are such a bully for having an opinion. *eyeroll* Fandom can be so amazing, and then it can be so utterly batshit. Their opinions are the offensive ones. Concrit = rape? O RLY?
Anyway, very well said.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:10 pm (UTC)I don't mind people having opinions opposite me. Just don't tell me I can't HAVE MINE, or tell me how horrible I am for saying I don't like something. Girlfriend (not you), please.
*squish squish squish*
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:05 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:08 pm (UTC)Let me staaaaaaaaay.
('Cause I'm a spy for certain religious organizations who are most interested in your forthcoming book.)<-----What? Don't look at me like that.
Actually, I came for the snark, I stay for the edumacational content. And you make me laugh.
Seriously, though. This whole thing is very tempest in teapot, isn't it? And it's strange that it's escalated the way it has. It's a complete mystery in many ways.
Frankly, I'd prefer to hang in the bitch corner. At least with the bitches you know where you stand. *nods*
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:11 pm (UTC)Can I repeat that I absolutely loved your post about this? Well, anytime you roll your sleeves up, I know I'm going to have an excellent read, so that's why I will never let you go.
And really: with the bitches you know where you stand. TRUE DAT. No, DOUBLE true. :D
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:13 pm (UTC)*refriends JUST to defriend AGAIN*
Also, I think I want to make a ginormous sign that says, "If you want to leave BtVS fandom, FUCKING LEAVE. Take your ball and go home. If you're going to act like an immature, petulant child because people expressed opinions, guess what? WE DON'T WANT YOU." I cannot tell you how many "This fandom is getting so mean, I just want to leave *whine* *whine* *more fucking crybaby bitching*" comments I've seen since this started.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:15 pm (UTC)I think I need a CArtman icon with "screw you guys, I'm going home" text.
HI LEE. I HEART YOU.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:14 pm (UTC)*pissed off for you* I don't know what's going on, BUT I AM ON YOUR SIDE! GO TEAM STONEY!
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:17 pm (UTC)I LOVE YOU LAURA. <3 <3 <3 AWE OPENS THIS FRIDAY, OMG OMG OMG.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:17 pm (UTC)I obviously have special powers that cause people to keep their more inane comments to themselves.
In other news, rock on. You're not going to change people's opinions, you're not even going to get them to understand that some things are fundamentally offensive.
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:23 pm (UTC)And apparently not. But on one hand, it's almost a good thing that the person that used the word "raped" in such a horrible fashion DOESN'T understand why it's bad they did. It's certainly not something I'd wish on someone, you know?
And there's your
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Date: 2007-05-21 03:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-21 03:21 pm (UTC)LOVE YOU.