I AM SORRY TO DOUBLE POST. However.

[stoney321]

The chick that's all "Kristallnacht" is a great name for an HP RPG, and it will have humor! And sex! But be frowny face serious, too, zomg. [ETA] BAHLEETED! Anyone get screencaps? I'm getting them on the comm page.

She's a Mormon and threw out the religion card. The "My people were persecuted, too!" card. OH MY GOD. It's like the heavens opened and gave me a special treat. Here, allow me to hand you your ass, "Marie Antoinette:"

1. The Mormon suffered some persecution. SOME. For, say, 10? 12 years? Max. MAX. They had a handful of guys drug out of their beds and tarred and feathered, for example. Guess why Joseph was? Because he was doinking the guy's sister and she was a 14 year old girl. Yep, just like the entire Cohen family of Eastern Poland being wiped out, among many, many others. Like... hmm. A few million? The Mormon Experience is just like that, except for all the ways it ISN'T. Also, try going back to 2000 years of persecution, or did you drop out of high school (see her user info) before you learned math? 2000 =/= 12.

2. Disagreeing with you isn't being an "extremist." That's your way to sublimate your own racism. I see you're from a tiny, Mormon suburb of Phoenix. Oh, got it. You're an idiot who lives in a state where they don't honor Martin Luther King, Jr., either, and thrive on the cheap and illegal labor you want, but don't want to see. In other words: I got your number.

3. Since YOU pulled out the religion card (I'm Mormon, I know persecution) I'm going to hammer you until you see sense, or fix this problem. Can. Not. Wait. Also? How in the FUCKING HELL does she know persecution in an all white, middle class WHITE AND MORMON community? You don't. You know nothing. Probably shouldn't have dropped out of school.

Classic Mormon counter argument. I should write a book. Oh, wait. *G*

[ETA] They do not know how to argue. And clearly have shit for brains.

[ETA 2] So, here's Marie"Let them eat cake" Antoinette on her LJ calling me out because at least she's not making fun of the Jews. (I would have replied differently if I knew first off who it was LIKE THIS. My immediate reaction is: I've upset someone, I fix it fast.) Also, I would like to apologize publicly to amireal for starting potential wank in her journal as a) I don't know her personally and b) she doesn't need extra drama over in her house. Very sorry.

Comments

[thebratqueen.livejournal.com]

Marry me. Seriously.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I can be in Massachusetts in a few hours. Find a cake. (I like Italian cream, but I'm good with whatever you suggest, dear.)

[beadattitude.livejournal.com]

Don't forget the girl who said this (marieantoinette, aptly enough)

I am not going to dwell on the past and harbor ill feelings towards what happened. It's been nearly 70 years. It isn't a matter of not respecting the dead. We didn't name the game "Auschwitz", we named it after a night in history when something very horrible "began", but the holocaust does not singularly come down to that one night.

I had fun formulating a reply to that. ::seethes:: My topic?

"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."

But, J says I'm hot when I'm pissed off and ranty. Good thing!

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

She's PERFECTLY named, yes? "What? Let them eat cake! [/behead'd]

I mean, I know the EXACT place she's coming from. Kinda sorta doing good Mormons wanting to live in the 'burbs with big, empty houses to fill up with babies to do the Lord's Work. It's the Mormon Persecution Complex that has me itching. I know JUST WHY she thinks it's okay to do what she does, and it's my biggest beef with the fucking LDS.

[julia-here.livejournal.com]

I was waiting for you to say something about that, since I myself was just sort of opening reply windows and sputtering and hitting the back button.

Julia, and now, more errands!

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I just found it about... fifteen minutes ago checking my flist? I can't type FAST ENOUGH to get in on this shit. WOWEE. On the other hand, she's going to help me get my point across with minimal effort. *G*

Aww, I love your fritilary icon. Lovely.

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

TONE OMG TONE.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I KNOW!!!!!!!!

Oh, if she doesn't respond soon, I'm flooding that post. Or, you know, commenting again. And again. Holy sheep shit.

[slasheuse.livejournal.com]

Why would anyone. I mean, really, why would anyone. WHY.

HOW IS IT THE SAME. IN NO WAY. THAT'S HOW. Like. Like... oh god, it's just not. NOTHING'S the same, nothing has ever been the same - lots of persecutions through history have been horrific, but nothing has ever been like the Holocaust, ever. Not even the THOUSANDS OF YEARS of persecution Jews had PREVIOUSLY suffered managed to be like the Holocaust. WHY would anyone. Why would anyone think a DISCLAIMER would help, etc etc.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I! KNOW!!

Clearly, she grew up in a cult that brainwashed her into thinking that a) she, too, is Jewish and b) she suffered similar problems just like the Jews (see a) and c) guys, they're not real people, we're just naming things after real people and events, tchuh!

Which all boils down to: MORON.

[jerusha]

Ack! She is deleting comments as quickly as they go up. NO FAIR! I want my wank, dammit!

But your response was absolutely priceless. Love it.

[jerusha]

But also... Okay. I like history. It's cool. I love WWII history, because it's fascinating, and I've read some about the history of the Mormon church because I have to work and go to school with a bunch of them.

Naming something Kristalnacht is bad enough, but then claiming it's okay because you faced persecution as a Mormon? There are no words for that kind of stupidity.

[ruthless1.livejournal.com]

I find myself unable to say anything about this because the stupid - it is SO big. It makes me angry and sad and not just a little skeeved that there are people out there that think like this and find nothing wrong with it. I am hoping that the bus, that has their names written on the front of it, is just around the corner.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Well, she lives in a sheltered community so she hasn't lived IN the world. She's in La La land. They all are.

They're starting to delete comments and lock stuff down. Hopefully they'll delete the comm. (Or make it easier on everything and RENAME IT. Then go away and not have children.)

[ely-jan.livejournal.com]

I'm being torn in half with wanting to continue to comment and hack and tear and rend, and also wanting to go make brownies and leave them all to wank each other in their tiny pocket of craptacular hypocrisy while I curl up and watch "I Love the 80's".

If these people were also married to horses, I would not be in the slightest bit surprised.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

"If these people were also married to horses, I would not be in the slightest bit surprised."

THE WORLD WOULD NOT GRANT ME SUCH A GIFT.

...would it? :D

[chopchica.livejournal.com]

I just can't stop finding it so fascinating that she capitalizes Mormon but doesn't capitalize Jew, Jewish, Judaism, or the Holocaust, and doesn't seem to realize how much of a tell that is.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Of course she does, because Mormons are the One True Church, don't you know. EYE. ROLL.

I mean, she lives in this completely white, Mormon community (My sister and her in laws live there. We don't speak of it.) and she dares to talk about understand persecution?!?!

Whooooo. Breath taking. And sadly, all too familiar.

[beadattitude.livejournal.com]

One of the mods woke up with all this in her inbox and said something sensible. So, let's try to get a little constructive. If we, the mods, were to rename the game, what might be some suggestions?

Gawd bless 'er

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Yeah, wouldn't that be great to find out that this is the main mod and she's TOTALLY GETTING OUR POINT? Jeez.

Also, Marie Antoinette has an LJ. See ETA on post, if you're curious. O_O

[jennem.livejournal.com]

OH MY GOD. It's like the heavens opened and gave me a special treat.

I'm not ashamed to say, that I laughed so hard that I snorted. :D

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I LIKE THAT RESPONSE.

Also, did you see my ETA 2? She's on LJ, lurking about the posts slamming this idea. Which, nothing wrong with that, just a heads up. :D

[amireal.livejournal.com]

Seriously, no problem! You're also a wonderful example of how to act when someone comes in and says "Uh that wasn't cool."

It's telling that I threatened to ban her BEFORE I knew who she was, so it's fair to say the wank wasn't really your fault.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

NICE. You? You I like. I'm the kind of person that reacts quickly, and screws up often, so I believe in apologizing. :)

And it's really not worth engaging with her at this point - she has her head so far in the sand, she can't see reason. Maybe I'll send her an autographed copy of my book on Mormons when I get it published... Heh heh.

[ravynstoneabbey]

Here's a link to where some others are discussing Miss Kristallnacht. {Journalfen, anon commenting off]

Good grief. She's a bright one, isn't she?

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I've been following that comm for a while tonight, too. It's nice to have SANE PEOPLE see them for who they are, you know? YEESH.

(And thank you re: garden. Oh, my babies! *cries*)

[lynnenne]

Classic Mormon counter argument. I should write a book. Oh, wait.

I could not possibly love you more than I do right now.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I mean, PERFECT TIMING, right? I... should post my chapter on them baptizing Hitler.

...or is that just pot stirring at this point? Hmm.

[othercat.livejournal.com]

...
The HELL?

Every time I think, "no one could be that stupid" someone ALWAYS exceeds my expectations. It's like a special gift from the Universe to me.

A random thought: You can't argue with someone who thinks they're a martyr-saint.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

See, the bad!fic posts were supposed to show that there IS no end to the crazy/stupid. And yet. ALways surprised to find the bottom of the barrel is a false bottom and there's waaaaay more layers underneath.

Hahahahaha. I see it as a gift, too. Whee!

[dovil.livejournal.com]

Wow. It's like there was a car accident and in order to break it up, they just kept driving more and more cars in to it.

Why didn't they just come clean. The Holocaust doesn't mean anything to them, and if people stick their hands up mentioning that pissing all over history for their LOL's is upsetting to them, well, they don't care about them either.

Way to go for 'nice' people to show compassion and empathy towards others.

(Plus I can't believe that someone played the 'My grandmother is Jewish' card - so's mine, so tonight I'm going to go out and burn a Synagogue down - but it's okay, Grannies Jewish! And that burning cross in my yard? My bus drivers black! It can't be racist!)

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Dude. That is the PERFECT analogy. Why you so smart? *beats you up to take your brains*

And you nailed it on the head. It's meaningless. I posted over there asking them roughly that. Is it because it was "waay" long ago and they're young girls? Is it because they read it out of a book, and probably dropped out of school before having to go to a Holocaust museum?

Or are they just assholes? I'm going with the latter with the first bit as frosting on the answer.

[marenfic.livejournal.com]

Holy Christ on a Cracker, Stoney. I neglect checking LJ for *two* days and you just had to go start harassing the Mormons. They're just trying to have, like, fun, cause nothing is hotter than pretending to be Voldie/Hilter in some Holocaust porn!

It's all okay, though, because Voldie/Hitler will be baptized post-death anyway, and will be allowed in the Penthouse suite. God will forgive them their minor transgressions.

That alone tells me all I need to know about how Mormons feel about Jews.

[makd.livejournal.com]

Hah! Ever hear about the way they feel about Hispanics, African Americans, feminists, and Catholics?
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Don't ask.

[makd.livejournal.com]

I tell you, there is some very deep, very crazy shit going 'round LJ.

Of course, it's always been 'round --- but it was hidden before (somewhat).

This whole RPG gaming group is batshit crazy, antisemitic, racist, misogynist, with every breath they take.

It makes me sick.

Yesterday I posted a wee comment about it....I think I was too subtle. Still: I repeat: there are many people about, but few human beings.

And, to quote Cordelia: there's not enough yuck in the world.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately with these clowns, subtle doesn't work. I mean... clearly.

Just a bunch of thoughtless hooligans, you know? Blech.

[hobbituk.livejournal.com]

You know, I wish I could be surprised. I really do. But then I think Harry Potter fandom.... So, No. Not surprised at all.

Because I just don't understand how adults can fantasise about children, even if the children are teenagers. I wish I saw the point of it!

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I think this goes way further than the typical crazy of the HP fandom, unfortunately. I think the magical element (and simple format) make it more accessible to the masses, and the real weirdoes/crazies are a part of the masses.

[anelith.livejournal.com]

I wasn't on LJ until last night so I missed most of this. WOW. I have to say it's wonderful that you were able to wade into the mess because you're the perfect person to handle "Marie Antoinette." I loved your responses to her.

*claps wildly*

*realizes everybody has left the theater*

*claps anyway*

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

And OF COURSE she had no comment to any of the posts I made. (except as her sockpuppet LJ journal, then realized I am Mormon - technically - and stopped commenting) I'm fairly certain she knew that she could say nothing to me to counter any of the arguments I leveled at her.

Moron. Huh. Add an "m" to that word... :D