Open mouth breathing

[stoney321]

okay, so maybe kinda you could say Palin won the debate because

• she didn't crap her pants
• she didn't stick her tongue out at Biden
• she didn't clomp to the podium in a Pretty Princess Outfit with a foil and rhinestone tiara and a feathered sceptre in her mommy's Fancy Shoes
• she didn't mis-pronounce words, just used the wrong ones
• she didn't go into a trance and cast demons into her opponent
• she didn't carry a Bible to the podium to glean her facts for the basis of various arguments

So, if that's the bar set for her to "win" the debate, then yes. She did. The rest of us that are tired of "noo-kyoo-lar" and "strategery" feel that she is an intellectual boob that is only a believer in Women's Rights if that means all the Cosmos the boys can buy you, free reign at the shoe shop, the freedom to have a Girls Night to watch the latest RomCom and then write on sparkly notebook paper with glitter pens how you feel about each one of your bestest buds and share it while getting facials.

In my best Palin goose honk: "I'd like to send a shout out out to my homes, Ceephus and my baby daddy Tahd. Lil' Ree Ree and Big Mike, I've got big ups for ya [wink] and to all my hahkey mahms kickin it at field number Nine... [fist heart peace kiss] For those that couldn't be with us here today.... [pours gatorade from a 40 oz. size bottle on the stage] Gahd bless."

Biden. I believe the kids say: PWNED.

(Guys, I'm almost hung over from the drinking game my husband and I played during the debates. Wink? Drink. Misunderstanding the things coming out of her mouth? Drink. Using the former Press Secretary's name instead of the actual commanding officer in Afghanistan? Drink. Etc.)

[ETA] Palin Debate Flow Chart. AHAHAHAHAHA. Awesome.

Comments

[lynnenne]

I think your icon pwns everything.

Speaking of hangovers... check your e-mail! *hugs*

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Ooooooh! *zooms*

[lynnenne]

Hahahahaha. I love that icon, too!

ONE WEEK, YAY! *bounces*

[kseenaa.livejournal.com]

Good lord. Is she REALLY that bad? o.O

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

YES.

[maybe1ce.livejournal.com]

She did mispronounce words, though, didn't she? I mean, of the 20 times I heard her say "nuclear," only ONE was said properly, the rest were all "Nookyouler" as far as I could here.

And, for the record, I lived in Alaska for a couple years, and I never, ever heard that accent of hers except on people who were visiting from North Dakota. And they used their mouths to speak, not their noses.

I didn't see anyone actually win that last night. I think that so many people went in to the debate looking for a train wreck (Dumb person vs. Smart Person who says relentlessly dumb things!) that it was pretty anticlimactic. They were both prepped within an inch of their lives and held to the approved talking points just fine. So, yeah, whatever. Not really a vote-changer. The punditry folk at the 24 hour news channels must be so disappointed. The only thing that would have been better for them than a VP cage match would be if noted White Girl Sarah Palin disappeared under "mysterious circumstances" or if Joe Biden did some silly voices and waved his hands around while shouting about stock picks.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Well, considering the latest White house boob has been mispronouncing it for 8 years, I think the general populace thinks it *is* pronounced "nu-kyoo-lar."

Oh' she's freaking Fargo with the "ya betcha!" accent, not Alaska, absolutely. I dated a guy in college from Dead Horse, and you don't get more ALaskan than that. Didn't have much of an accent at all.

I do think that Biden showed that he actually knows what he's talking about, that he understands an exponential amount in comparison. Because my dad is "undecided" (meaning, he wants to vote Repub as per usual, but doesn't know if he can this time) I thought Biden won - won my dad, that is.

[spiralleds.livejournal.com]

I don't get her accent either. I've from Minnesota and while there are elements of the up north in her voice, it's beyond over the top Fargo. We don't speak that way. I lived in Fairbanks, and folks there didn't speak the way she does either. It's a mystery.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I honestly think it's affected to win over Michigan/Wisconsin/Dakota peeps. It ain't an Alaskan accent.

I'm waiting for her to start hollering TAN SIERRA! TAN SIERRA!!

[bienegold.livejournal.com]

It's definitely a Yooper accent.

[icymorning.livejournal.com]

Palin was mediocre at best, but maybe that's what it was - best according to her own standards. She didn't do embarassingly, infuriating horrid, so they're breathing a little easier. I'm just a little sad for Biden, being doubted by that is slightly annoying.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Exactly: the standards were so low for her, she just had to not spill her drink down her front to be declared "the winner." How shameful - she has no grasp of world understanding, and we NEED INTELLIGENT PEOPLE again, you know? Geh.

[icymorning.livejournal.com]

Someone once told me they liked Palin because they could relate, whereas Obama was an intellectual snob, appealing to intellectual snobs (like us?)

In all fairness, when it comes to leading a country like the US, or, you know, the world - let's be honest, I'd rather have someone who's smarter than me. Not someone who puts their feet in her mouth like I do from time to time. People confuse nationwide elections with high school. It's not a popularity contest. It's about this thing called competency.

[bienegold.livejournal.com]

Hells yes.

I don't want someone like me. I want someone BETTER. Otherwise I'd be doing it.

[mere-ubu.livejournal.com]

*lol* Thank gahd you didn't play a "maverick"-based drinking game, huh? You'd be driving the porcelain bus today, missy. My 10 y/o was yelling at the screen by the end of the debate: "Look! Another wink! What is up with that winking?!" Both she and my friend C. were like, why must she talk to us like she's reading a children's story? Lordy.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

"talk to us like she's reading a children's story" BWAH HA HA hA!! Oh, that's perfect!

As is your icon, good god, I literally LOL'd at that. HEE

[mere-ubu.livejournal.com]

*lol* I'd pay money to hear her read from that book. Now someone just needs to write it! It could be about the Bush administration's environmental policy. . .

[dwivian]

She won, because she didn't lose. Honestly.

Fortunately, winning just means she didn't tank her candidacy NOW. I don't see much hope for her either way, but she forstalled the inevitable. With the moderator's choice of relatively soft-ball questions, I didn't see any chance for either person to express any real depth, and that's annoying. And she's the queen of shallow, so it worked for her.

Biden didn't win because Biden wasnt BIDEN. He was just this guy. He had only one 'human' moment, and had NONE of his traditional power. I was gravely disappointed with his effort. You can't shoot fish in a barrel if you never pull the trigger! As well, he wasn't there to debate Palin, but McCain. Had I been her, one of my rebuttals (at about 1 hour in) would have been "Hey, Joe? I'm **RIGHT HERE**. How about trying to debate ME, and not McCain?" It'd have been a defining moment. Of course, he can't debate her, because she's mealy-mouthed and hasn't got anything TO debate, but that's something that could have been capitalized on, and not ignored.

I noted that both of them had a way of not answering questions, but I admired Palin's "I'm not going to answer the way the moderator or you want me to", as it was solid to her constituency's belief that the liberal media and liberal politicians are joined at the hip (true or not). That Gwen would call them BOTH on not answering was pretty slick, too.

Nuclear, by the way, is uncomfortable to say, as the tonal order is not something we use a lot. And, with similar words like particular, peculiar, etc, it is VERY common for the alternative (not wrong) pronunciation to be used by native speakers. I use both interchangeably, depending on the speed at which I'm talking, because I stutter. The harsher form can tie up my tongue for a moment. Doesn't mean I'm ignorant.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Wow, we are falling on opposite sides of a few things, mostly that I'm being funny here with my commentary on why she won.

Also, as I'm from Texas, which is commonly ridiculed for our way of pronouncing things, I've never heard "noo-kyoo-lar" but only the proper way to say it.

I'm not seeing a lot of agreement that she "won" on various media sites, only that she didn't stick her foot in her mouth enough to start a stampede away from her ticket. That's not a "win" in my book, but clearly we view things differently. *shrug*

[fiveandfour.livejournal.com]

I had to stop watching. After my gap-jawed reactions to things like "we need to tap our own energy sources" (read:oil) followed up by "and we need stricter environmental standards", then later "funny how the Democrats are focused so much on the past and the current administration's mistakes when we're talking about the future" followed by "we're going to look to the mistakes made by the current administration and learn from them" I began to feel my blood pressure rising to dangerous levels. I just...can't even...HOW CAN A PERSON NOT REALIZE THEY'VE SO COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED THEMSELVES IN THE SPACE OF A MINUTE? Gah!

It would've been much better had I done the drinking game, too. I may have ended up looped, but I also would've been happier.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

My husband jumped up and moaned, hands on his cheeks when she said in the SAME RESPONSE that 1) there's not enough gov't and then 2) there's too much gov't.

I think it's been scientifically proven that you cannot have your cake and eat it too, good lord!!

(Oh, and she called Joe Biden Senator O'Biden. Uh...)

[sdwolfpup.livejournal.com]

I honestly am so frustrated at the perception that it was a tie, or that she actually came out on top, just because she wasn't a complete failure. It aggravates me so deeply...gyargh. On the other hand, I sort of liked Biden before this but mostly thought he was crazy; I came out of this debate so energized by him I'd vote him for President, if Obama wasn't running! Hee. I think Biden not only "didn't fail," I think he legitimately won. He was far more in control of the conversation, eloquent but approachable, armed with facts and bird-dogging McCain as he should (because no matter whether or not he was there to debate her, people would've responded to him as 'attacking' Palin, which sucks! I agree! But that's how the world perceives it right now). I thought it was a stunning turn on his part. His final speech made our little group of people burst into applause. :)

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

See, you've gotten my point, that just because she didn't start crying or drop her note cards that she wins?? NO. And most polls are agreeing with us: she's a BOOB.

I actually like Biden, and I have liked him. He's had a few moments that haven't made me a huge fan of his, but overall, I think he's been a competent public serviceman, and has been involved with some issues that mean a LOT to me. (Bosnia, women's rights, violence against women) My #1 beef with him is the damn 700 mile fence along the Texas/Mexico border. It's stupid, and none of us want it. NONE of the people on the border want it. I wish he'd give up on that.

Aside from that, he's intelligent, he's not bouyed by special interests, he's the second poorest member of Congress, for Pete's sake! I loved that he smacked Palin down with ACTUAL facts, something he and Obama both have the ability to do with intelligence and grace. They're not attack dogs, they're just strong enough to stand on their own, armed with actual information.

I actually missed his final speech, because of noise upstairs with my kids, and a DVR that cut out. ARGH. Thanks for reminding me to go YouTube it!

[moosesal.livejournal.com]

Nukyoolar drives me nuts, but then so do a lot of verbal language things by a lot of people. So while I flinched a little every time she said, I mostly ignored it. What got me was how well she managed to pronounce Ahmadinejad. They must have worked with her on that one for HOURS and written it down phonetically on her notes. I was amused by how many times she said his name rather than just saying "leaders" like Biden. It was like she was so proud of herself or something for being able to trot out that doozy of a name. Then she flubbed on Kim Jong Il and those hours of practice were pretty much confirmed for me.

I was so amazed by the Ahmadinejad though that I woke up this morning with it stuck in my head. *sigh* I will be singing "Ahmadinejad, Ahmadinejad" all day. And for that the debate was a lose/lose for me. ;-)

I did my pushups and crunches during the first part because it wasn't like they were breaking my concentration on form or even counting. Sad. Very sad.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Hahahahaha, I bet you're right with her saying it over and over to show that she COULD. I did notice that she said the complete wrong name for the leader of the forces in Afghanistan - she said McClellan, who is not the Army guy. (His name escapes me, but then, I'm not running for the second most powerful job in the world, am I?)

Joe definitely spent the first 30 minutes feeling her out, her debate style, how far he could go. But once he found his groove, I thought he was an excellent debater. He and Obama have terrific skills in that arena.

[moosesal.livejournal.com]

You know her coaches were all "Okay, if you can learn this name, we'll take you helicopter hunting." And she was all, "I think I can, I think I can." And you just know someone was standing backstage muttering, "Good girl. Good girl," with a cookie and juicebox in hand for after. I am so mean.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Ithink she was promised a bigger allowance for mall shopping with her Gal Pal, and a special lunch at Pei Wei, because it's so fancy!

The fact that she's being put up as a model of womanhood to my girls angers me SO MUCH. Her winking and smiling and "aw shucks!" is so opposite of how I see a strong woman, it's not even funny. I'm an Ann Richards girl, so...

[moosesal.livejournal.com]

Yeah, her body language and mannerisms really bother me. They're so patronizing and girlish. She's trying to be cute and non-threatening and she ends up acting like a child. It's really sad. Olympia Snowe or Elizabeth Dole or Kay Bailey Hutchison -- all female republican senators -- would be such different candidates because they're strong women and real political leaders. McCain could have done better. I used to have a lot of respect for McCain, even when I didn't always agree with him, but over the course of this election my respect for him has plummeted and the choice of Palin just made it even worse. While he didn't have my vote before, if he'd made different choices and stuck to his old guns of not always following the partyline, I might not be so scared of him winning.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I'm not a fan of Kay Bailey Hutchinson for her politics, but I gotta tell you: she'd be a much better candidate for the GOP than Palin. However, she's wanting to run for Governor here next go-round, and she'd rather be on the top of a smaller pile, than holding up someone on the big pile. She's no dummy.

Truthfully, I used to have respect for McCain, until he started changing politics to suit the mood and ESPECIALLY when I found out that he's been getting political donations from WARREN JEFFS/PLYGS for years, and HE is responsible to getting Jeffs his own FEDERALLY FUNDED airport. Uh. No.

[moosesal.livejournal.com]

I appreciated McCain's interest in reform (McCain-Feingold, for example) and willingness to work across the aisle. But he's more and more going with the party and the Jeffs stuff and other things just piss me off.

[drusplace.livejournal.com]

"(Guys, I'm almost hung over from the drinking game my husband and I played during the debates. Wink? Drink. Misunderstanding the things coming out of her mouth? Drink. Using the former Press Secretary's name instead of the actual commanding officer in Afghanistan? Drink. Etc.)"

Geez babe, from what I've been hearing, shouldn't you have alcohol poisoning after all that drinking? LOL

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Possibly! (Good think I have charcoal pills to make sure I don't DIE.) :D

[drusplace.livejournal.com]

If you need a nap, put on the Canadian Leaders debate we had up here last night. It's a snore fest.

Why they called an election up here right before yours is BEYOND me.

[tricksterquinn.livejournal.com]

And she made diagrammable sentences (http://www.slate.com/id/2201158/) for the most part. I mean, the content made no real sense, but they mostly resembled English.

I don't even know how one could SURVIVE a Palin drinking game. *cringes*

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

"I don't even know how one could SURVIVE a Palin drinking game."

I'm 52% liver. otherwise, I'd be dead. ;)

[tricksterquinn.livejournal.com]

Aaaaah, that explains that. I'm pretty sure I'd've passed out.

I mean, I almost did from banging my head against a wall as it stands, but you know.

[padparadscha.livejournal.com]

I wish I had known about her answering strategy for college exams. (http://padparadscha.livejournal.com/287947.html).

Also, FUCK YEAH BIDEN. Who'da thought he'd be the most clear and direct of the four debaters?

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Yeah - it's like the joke about the test paper, "Find X." *points to the x on the triangle* "Here it is." That's her skill set!!!

You know, Biden gets into trouble when there's open ended time frames. When it's structured, he does well. just like my kids with the structure. :D

[dampersnspoons.livejournal.com]

*anoints you with oils to cast out the witchery*

Listen up, Alpacas! I gotta be straight-up now tell me do you really wanna love, me forever? oh-oh-oh you betcha! While you're knitting sweaters in Afghanistan from those magic goats you have there, I'm being cosmopolitan and reading a newspaper that I can't remember the name of. And then I'm going *winks* to see *winks* Freddy VS. Jason.

Or was it The Punisher VS. Spiderman?

No, no...it was...Ladyhawke VS. The Flaming Carrot! Youbetcha!

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Woman, go listen to your phone message from me! WOMAN!

Also: I have a bracelet too!

[lolz.livejournal.com]

I think Sarah Palin as a person is probably a sweetheart of a lady, as a VP candidate I want to slap her in the mouth. She sounds like she's running for Den Mother not the American VP. I hated her "dog-gone-it's" and "We're gonna fix America!" Talk like a politican, lady. It's irriating because you know so many woman out there are thinking "oh my God, she's just like me!" I can't stand her. Although, I was amazed she didn't completely blow it. But she definitley ignored every question and said what she wanted "I'm not going to answer the questions you ask me, I'll tell you what I have to say" or whatever the hell she said.

I think Biden did awesome. When he choked up about his son? Oh dear God!

The one thing that absolutely irked me about Palin was how she simply said "No, I do not support gay marriage." Honey, you live in a country that because of its freedoms you're allowed to even run for VP but you oppose gay marriage? WTF! I hate her.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

She totally sounds like she's angling for the President of the PTA to me, too. But I don't think she's really sweet IRL. She seems to me like the kind of woman that is surface sweet, but has a meeeeeean edge to her underneath, always looking for a way out. Like the kind of person that uses derrogatory language/slurs in her house with her 'closest' friends.

Biden did a TERRIFIC job, didn't he? Made me like him even more. (Oooh, and ditto again on the gay marriage statement. UGH.)

[chantal87.livejournal.com]

You know I <3 you hard!
I'll stand by my Facebook status.
I was pleasantly pleased to watch Biden kick her loony ass.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

!!! *Goes to look RIGHT NOW!*

ILU2!

[anelith.livejournal.com]

I sent the flow chart to my brother and Ron, because it is indeed awesome.

It would have been a much more fun debate if she *had* gone into a trance and cast demons into her opponent. Darn.

[midnightsjane.livejournal.com]

I was channel flipping between the Canadian leaders debate, and the American. I flipped over just in time to see Palin wink at the camera..and thought I was hallucinating. I have to say that although the Canadian debate wasn't the most exciting, there was a very fine performance by Elisabeth May, leader of the Green Party. Now there is an example of a woman who understands the issues and can articulate her position extremely well. Sarah Palin could take some lessons from May...but May would take her apart in teeny tiny strips.

The flow chart made me LOL. All the polls I have seen today call Biden the winner..could there be any doubt?

[porntestpilot.livejournal.com]

sparkly notebook paper with glitter pens

Do not ruin my name by pairing it with hers! I will have to switch over to something even more ridiculous.