Question for the BtVS fandom at large:

[stoney321]

Do you think it's possible that Joss knew enough of gang/drug culture to have the "Strawberry" reference for Willow be the dope man's Strawberry? Because I'm thinking that little, pudgy white boy knew what he was doing.

And if you ask yourself, "Did Stoney just listen to 'Dope Man' by N.W.A.?" then give yourself fifteen points for mind reading and fifty points for your old school gangsta rap knowledge.

Yo, Mr. Dope Man you think you're slick
You gave my sister drugs and now she's sick
And if she dies because of your drugs
I'm putting in your quto a .38 slug.



There's a another girl in tha dope man's life
Not quite a bitch but far from a wife
she's called Strawberry and everybody know
Strawberry Strawberry is tha neighborhood ho
do any thing for a hit or 2
give tha bitch a rock and she'll fuck your whole damn crew
it might be yo wife and it might make you sick
come home and see her mouth on tha dope man's dick
Strawberry just look around; you'll see her
but don't fuck around she'll give you gonorrhea
if people out there ain't hip to the fact
Strawberry iz a girl selling pussy 4 crack

(For tha Dope Man Dope Man!)

Damn, I love the bass line in that song.

In other news, we entertained Mr. marenfic last night as he wrapped up a business conference, and my kids officially declared him to be a "very nice man." They all played Guitar Hero until bedtime. *cough* I won't say publicly whether or not my children kicked his ass or not. Or that my six year old plays with only a thumb on the keys (her hands are too small to hold the controller) and she played on Medium. And did better than the Mr. I won't say that. :D

Comments

[drusplace.livejournal.com]

I once had a conversation with a coworker (who is 10 years younger than me) about how, when I take the subway to work, noone would ever guess that the tiny little white woman, married and in her 30s sits there listening to gangsta rap! I got great street cred from said coworker for that!

And yep. I'm betting Joss did know enough. I don't know why I think that, I just do...

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

If he didn't know on his own (highly likely) he could have had a staff member that informed him....

That's my guess. :D

[drusplace.livejournal.com]

Hee! My other suspect that I had in mind was Ultimate Drew...

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

I hope Miss Em schooled Mr. Maren's ass. :DDDD

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

She TOTES did. I mean... I will neither confirm nor deny.

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha, more ammo for ME!


(It should go without saying that she would totally school my ass, as well. Also, Maren was saying they're going to get Rock Band soon, so we might challenge your family to a Band-Off.)

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Oh, they have it! I upheld my promise to keep him off of it so they would both be on equal playing ground. Hahahaha.

And Maren said something about y'all not coming until the State Fair? Waaaaaaah. You could come again, you know. Like, earlier. Say, tomorrow. :)

[marenfic.livejournal.com]

In his defense, he did tell me that E kicked his ass and he gave her props for only playing with her thumbs.

The first thing he said when he came home was that he really digged our stoney's kids. And not in the pedophile way.

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

I still reserve the right to mock him mercilessly about it. Ahahaha. IT IS MY GOD-GIVEN RIGHT.

I am studiously avoiding the fact that Mr. Maren can kick *my* ass at GH. In fact, I'm pretty sure retarded monkeys can kick my ass at GH.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Do you think it's possible that Joss knew enough of gang/drug culture to have the "Strawberry" reference for Willow be the dope man's Strawberry? Because I'm thinking that little, pudgy white boy knew what he was doing.

Yes. Yes I do believe it was deliberate and that pudgy white boy has his fair share of knowledge about such things.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Yeah - I think if he didn't know, he trusted a staff writer that did.

:D

[menomegirl.livejournal.com]

Often wondered that myself. I think it's entirely possible that he did but my question is, which writer/writers are created with that episode? Cause it could have come from them and not Joss.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

It's good to know I'm not alone, both in my theory and my love of hard-core pipe-hittin' gangsta rap.

[menomegirl.livejournal.com]

*blushes*

I only know the song because of my kids.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

AH! I know the song because I imagined myself a hard ass Mormon when I was 16 and was all about the rap. HEEEE.

[crazydiamondsue.livejournal.com]

Hah - I always thought it was a not-so-subtle sex thing. Probably because my N.W.A. knowledge was limited to "cultural milestones" like "Straight Outta Compton" and "Fuck Tha Police" and didn't extend to actual album own-age. (Though I did buy Dre & Ice Cube's solo stuff and have often amused my brother by singing "It Was a Good Day" while driving.) Go Joss!

We scoped out Rock Band for Wii as a our "cut the shit it's family time" family Christmas present. 'Cause, you know, I labor under that misconception that while I might not be coordinated enough to play even keyboard guitar, any dork can play drums. Yeaaah. And wtg Emily!

"Is that those boys playing?" "No, it's Kansas, but they got 100K points playing that on GuitarHero.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

BONUS POINTS FOR USING KEY-TAR IN A SENTENCE.

(Um, note: the drums are the hardest part of Rock Band.) BUT! There's singing! And they've got songs you know and love, and it's totally fun. The guitar on the easy settings are crazy easy, in comparison to Guitar Hero, so don't sweat it.

We wish they had an actual keyboard you could play on it, too, as they have freaking BOSTON. Gotta have a keyboard for those long intros!

[marenfic.livejournal.com]

I second that the guitar on Rock Band is way easier than Guitar Hero. The drums are the hard part and the singing is too easy I think. But it is fun to play together with multiple people.

[crazydiamondsue.livejournal.com]

I know I would SUCK at Guitar Hero but I will to try Rock Band. Is there a tambourine? Perhaps not-plugged-in-Lori-Patridge-keyboards? *g* I'm excited about it, though, because right now we just have the Wii Fit, and as much fun as it is to watch Caza hula hoop (and it is) I want to branch out!

[kseenaa.livejournal.com]

Ha! I had no idea. :-D

[bitchygrrl.livejournal.com]

See I said that back when the ep aired, and all my friends were like, what?
You have confirmed my rightness. *nods in vindication*
*throws up gang signs at you*
Westsiiiiiiiiiiiiide!

Ooooh your daughter schooled a grown man, She is badass, or at her age badbutt I guess to make it age appropriate.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

*curls fingers, pinkies out*

LATIN KINGS, BEYOTCH! Ahahaha.

And yeah - listening to that again this morning, I was all, "Rack slapped her with nine inches of limp dick."

[mere-ubu.livejournal.com]

When I was at the Slayage conference a couple weeks ago, someone presented a paper on Willow's magic addiction arc as a resource for drug counselors, and the strawberry/crack whore thing was discussed. I tend to think Mutant Enemy knew what they were doing, given their fondness for the buggin' street slang, yo.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

Nice! See, I'm not crazy! Well, on this subject, at least. :D

[jerusha]

Okay, this is just bizarre, unless you tell me that you were watching CSI on SpikeTV last night. They used (and explained) the "strawberry" term in relation to drug use, and I wondered the very same thing. I'm going to guess yes on that one, but it's hard to say with Joss.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I did not! I watched no TV last night, so I'm clearly picking up on your brainwaves! Speaking of, PUT DOWN THE CHOCOLATE and give it to meeeeeee :D

[jerusha]

You will pry this chocolate out of my cold, dead fingers. :P

[trinfaneb.livejournal.com]

I don't remember that, which CSI episode was it?

This white boy was totally ignorant of the song and the term, but I tend to believe that if Mike Judge could have a hardcore rap soundtrack to "Office Space," then Joss could know.

[jerusha]

It was this one. And it was very random.

[bookishwench.livejournal.com]

Back on the old AOL Buffy Board, we pegged the Strawberry reference within a day of the ep airing. Yeah, definitely not a coincidence.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

See what happens from not being a part of fandom until close to the end? you miss all the good discussions!!

[slasheuse.livejournal.com]

Your 6-year-old for president, is what.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

WHAT A GLORIOUS NATION WE WOULD HAVE.

There would be a kitten, puppy, bunny, and turtle in every home. All would eat Popsicles and go to bed early!

[slasheuse.livejournal.com]

The nation dress would be THE CORPSE BRIDE because the national DAY would be Hallowe'en.

And America would be instantly 500% cuter.

[dlgood.livejournal.com]

I would suggest this - that he (or more likely someone on his team) knew the reference. But I'm equally certain that he hadn't actually listened to the song.

Whedon's aware of things, but I don't think he's particularly savvy about it. The shallowness of Gunn's character arc (Gangsta's Paradise was the only rap tune you could think of for him????) belies any sense that Whedon is 'down' as the kidz used to say...

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

I'm right there with you. Gunn was so "TV Black Street Kid" wasn't he? Poor J August Richards.

But I def. think someone on staff was aware.

[marenfic.livejournal.com]

Hahahahaha!

Dude, he sucks. Mr. Maren is not musically inclined. You should have heard him try to sing when we played Rock Band last night.

[stoney321.livejournal.com]

HEEEEEE.

You know we're going to have to rock out with our cocks out in August, right? I FUCKING RULE AT ROCK BAND. We can make him be our manager.

Poor Mr. Maren. Well, just let him know that he can't be good at everything. :D